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The Worst Debate Performance in American History
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Contributor | BrentinCO |
Last Edited | BrentinCO Jun 28, 2024 09:13am |
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Author | Jeff Greenfield |
News Date | Friday, June 28, 2024 03:00:00 PM UTC0:0 |
Description | It’s likely to be the most quoted line of the evening: “I really don’t know what he said at the end of that sentence, and I don’t think he did, either.” The problem for President Joe Biden is that well before Donald Trump said that, Biden partisans from one end of the country to the other were saying pretty much the same thing. |
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Everyone knows Biden can't win the election now.
The people who scream otherwise the loudest, are simply the ones most upset about the new status quo. So what's next?
Biden will still be on the ballot, albeit getting single digits and ZERO Electoral Votes come November, as a de facto Third Party candidate. The usual two-candidate dynamic will assert itself, and we'll soon have a Kennedy versus Trump race.
I'm open to other nifty suggestions, but unless someone can convince Joe and especially the Hon. Doctor Jill Biden that he should retire (fat chance), then he's the nominee. Even if the Cabinet does their duty, and removes him from office under the 25th Amendment, that would only make Kamala Harris the President until January 20th. It wouldn't somehow confer the nomination upon her (as most people seem to assume).
Everybody in the DNC, and all their supporters (except for a couple people here who are still embarrassing themselves by displaying their emotional investment in Joe Biden), want to swap out the nominee. But that requires Biden's assent. He's about as likely to voluntarily give up office as Stalin would be.
Or Trump, for that matter. There is no rationale for why Joe Biden shouldn't be the 2024 Democratic nominee, to which Joe Biden will ever stipulate agreement.
Everyone knows Biden can't win the election now.
The people who scream otherwise the loudest, are simply the ones most upset about the new status quo. So what's next?
Biden will still be on the ballot, albeit getting single digits and ZERO Electoral Votes come November, as a de facto Third Party candidate. The usual two-candidate dynamic will assert itself, and we'll soon have a Kennedy versus Trump race.
I'm open to other nifty suggestions, but unless someone can convince Joe and especially the Hon. Doctor Jill Biden that he should retire (fat chance), then he's the nominee. Even if the Cabinet does their duty, and removes him from office under the 25th Amendment, that would only make Kamala Harris the President until January 20th. It wouldn't somehow confer the nomination upon her (as most people seem to assume).
Everybody in the DNC, and all their supporters (except for a couple people here who are still embarrassing themselves by displaying their emotional investment in Joe Biden), want to swap out the nominee. But that requires Biden's assent. He's about as likely to voluntarily give up office as Stalin would be.
Or Trump, for that matter. There is no rationale for why Joe Biden shouldn't be the 2024 Democratic nominee, to which Joe Biden will ever stipulate agreement.
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LPP:10973 | Patrick ( 6.5582 points)
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Mon, July 1, 2024 03:13:59 AM UTC0:00
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No mention of Hunter but otherwise flawless, 9 out of 10 amphetamine tablets from me.
No mention of Hunter but otherwise flawless, 9 out of 10 amphetamine tablets from me.
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MKKP:11457 | The Fixer ( 50.8295 points)
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Mon, July 1, 2024 04:33:40 PM UTC0:00
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I think the point isn't that Biden simply "lost a debate" like Obama did in 2012, but that his debate presence was so bad that it has almost everyone questioning his mental acuity. Especially and most viciously from those liberal influencers in legacy media (NYT, Wash Post, CNN, MSNBC, etc.). And those liberal influencers are panicking because they rightly realize that it is going to be especially hard to change people's opinion that Biden is not mentally fit for the job. Very very tough to turn that opinion around.
Additionally, there are scarce "big events" during a campaign and this big event has made many low propensity Biden voters less likely to vote for him or possibly even come to the polls (bad for down ballot candidates). So even if Trump doesn't gain one voter from this, he gains by Biden losing.
Finally, States where he needs to turn it around like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Nevada are probably lost and that's why @Jason is right - Biden is cooked. Biden's ceiling of electoral votes just shrank.
Apparently Whitmer is reportedly have said to Biden campaign manager that Michigan is not winnable at all.
Source: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/01/whitmer-biden-democrats-2028-00165995
BrentinCO: I think the point isn't that Biden simply "lost a debate" like Obama did in 2012, but that his debate presence was so bad that it has almost everyone questioning his mental acuity. Especially and most viciously from those liberal influencers in legacy media (NYT, Wash Post, CNN, MSNBC, etc.). And those liberal influencers are panicking because they rightly realize that it is going to be especially hard to change people's opinion that Biden is not mentally fit for the job. Very very tough to turn that opinion around.
Additionally, there are scarce "big events" during a campaign and this big event has made many low propensity Biden voters less likely to vote for him or possibly even come to the polls (bad for down ballot candidates). So even if Trump doesn't gain one voter from this, he gains by Biden losing.
Finally, States where he needs to turn it around like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Nevada are probably lost and that's why @Jason is right - Biden is cooked. Biden's ceiling of electoral votes just shrank.
Apparently Whitmer is reportedly have said to Biden campaign manager that Michigan is not winnable at all.
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The idea that this debate is somehow comparable to the first debates in 1984, 1996, 2004, and 2012 (all of which I saw live, at the time) is preposterous. Reagan definitely came off as a touch mentally slow in his first debate with Mondale, for example...but it was about three percent as severe as the ridiculous fiasco to which Biden has subjected us. Anyone making this comparison, is either a liar, or has no idea what they're talking about.
The idea that this debate is somehow comparable to the first debates in 1984, 1996, 2004, and 2012 (all of which I saw live, at the time) is preposterous. Reagan definitely came off as a touch mentally slow in his first debate with Mondale, for example...but it was about three percent as severe as the ridiculous fiasco to which Biden has subjected us. Anyone making this comparison, is either a liar, or has no idea what they're talking about.
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MKKP:11457 | The Fixer ( 50.8295 points)
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Tue, July 2, 2024 04:56:51 AM UTC0:00
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Now his advisors are saying that Biden did do well because he operates best from 10 AM to 4 PM. Can you imagine if any terrorist organizations, Russia, Iran, or North Korea start attacking US interests at 4:01 P.M. or 9:59 A.M. because Biden is not functioning well at these tines.
Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-debate-aides-struggles-function-after-4-p-m-2024-7
Now his advisors are saying that Biden did do well because he operates best from 10 AM to 4 PM. Can you imagine if any terrorist organizations, Russia, Iran, or North Korea start attacking US interests at 4:01 P.M. or 9:59 A.M. because Biden is not functioning well at these tines.
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LPP:10973 | Patrick ( 6.5582 points)
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Wed, July 3, 2024 12:23:49 AM UTC0:00
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Now his advisors are saying that Biden did do well because he operates best from 10 AM to 4 PM. Can you imagine if any terrorist organizations, Russia, Iran, or North Korea start attacking US interests at 4:01 P.M. or 9:59 A.M. because Biden is not functioning well at these tines.
Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-debate-aides-struggles-function-after-4-p-m-2024-7
Could you please cite from a legitimate source like Yahoo or Buzzfeed
The Fixer: Now his advisors are saying that Biden did do well because he operates best from 10 AM to 4 PM. Can you imagine if any terrorist organizations, Russia, Iran, or North Korea start attacking US interests at 4:01 P.M. or 9:59 A.M. because Biden is not functioning well at these tines.
Source: [Link]
Could you please cite from a legitimate source like Yahoo or Buzzfeed
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