Even if it means losing in 2024?

Even if it means losing in 2024? He'd lose the primary as a Republican.

Republicans does not allow indies to caucus with them in the Senate

Somebody's getring scared... https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/10/senator-joe-manchin-democratic-party-exit-plan-biden-infrastructure-deal-exclusive/

Somebody's getring scared... https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/10/senator-joe-manchin-democratic-party-exit-plan-biden-infrastructure-deal-exclusive/ How is Joe Manchin getting scared, exactly? He has all the control and leverage in a 50-50 senate...he could not care less about what anyone has to say about him on the Twitter left. And, he could make McConnell majority leader in one second. So, dare I say that there is some projection in your statement.

This is a hail mary pass to hold on to any relevancy, why would he voluntarily give up all the power he has now and just become another Republican? The article literally says he planned to do this early in the week but "Changed his mind", if he wanted to do it, he would have done it already This is literally just a last ditch effort to get 267 Dems to all of a sudden go "Well ok let us do less than ever before". I could care less as Manchin and Sinema are essentially Republicans already

This is a hail mary pass to hold on to any relevancy, why would he voluntarily give up all the power he has now and just become another Republican? The article literally says he planned to do this early in the week but "Changed his mind", if he wanted to do it, he would have done it already This is literally just a last ditch effort to get 267 Dems to all of a sudden go "Well ok let us do less than ever before". I could care less as Manchin and Sinema are essentially Republicans already I mean, I wish they were republicans. That reckless covid bill that they helped pass at the beginning of the Biden presidency and the confirmation of people like Xavier Becerra would have been thwarted.

So ur argument against me is COVID Relief bad? Lol

Manchin says rumors that he was threatening to leave the Democratic Party were "bullshit". https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1450888630977892357?s=20

Your argument fails in assuming that just because he has a D next to his name means he has to agree with you all the time. I wish he'd fall in line sooner, or have policy demands to be negotiated faster, but your whole all-or-nothing schtick all the time is tiring.

I love all the bs u keep putting in my mouth that were never stated at all. This bill has literally already been negotiated down from the amount it needed to be, the "All" you think I am advocating for has disappeared. This Bill is already a concession, snd Manchin wants it to be a concession of a concession. This isn't even anything that is that massive, this is the agenda that was the SOLE REASON BIDEN WON. And Manchin/Sinema literally want to tank the one thing that will 100% make or break the Dems chances in 2022. They are the modern day Byrd/McCarran

this is the agenda that was the SOLE REASON BIDEN WON Donald Trump is the sole reason Biden won.

Exactly. His abysmal Covid response and Biden offering better. If ge can't do that: whelp world is donezo

$3.5 trillion is negotiated down?

Yes, have you literally not been paying attention at all? The bill was originally around $6 Trillion and had a lot of ambitious plans. The progressives already lowered the price tag and let go of a lot of the things in the bill, and this is as far as they are gonna go because anything less would be worthless. Time for Manchin to concede something as well

I saw that proposal and dismissed it out of hand. Good luck getting Manchin to move, though.

So what ur saying is "Fuck strugglung people let them die".

No one's going to die if this bill doesn't pass.

Imma take a wild guess and say: •Affordable, high-quality child care •home-based care for seniors and people with disabilities •well paying Jobs •lower drug costs •Enviromental protection •and affordable housing Will prevent SOME deaths...

So what ur saying is "Fuck strugglung people let them die". Yes, all of those who oppose a $3.5 trillion New Deal like legislation when the unemployment rate is more than a fifth below that of the Great Depression must just want everyone to die. You got us!

OH NO, THE LEGISLATION I WANT PASSED: is being compared to literally the most effective and popular pieces of legislation in US History. Which guarenteed the incumbent prez 16 years in office and killed the GOP's electoral ambitions until they campaigned on continuing it. But go on, pretend I am the one in the wrong

OH NO, THE LEGISLATION I WANT PASSED: is being compared to literally the most effective and popular pieces of legislation in US History. Which guarenteed the incumbent prez 16 years in office and killed the GOP's electoral ambitions until they campaigned on continuing it. But go on, pretend I am the one in the wrong It was popular because it was a time of particular economic upheaval. No serious economist thinks the circumstances are remotely similar.

Notice all the stores and shit having signs asking for employees. All the op eds of "where da workers at". Its not 1 to 1 but the fact you are so insistent on not helping them speaks volumes. U can pretendcsll day long u have some BS reason but at the end of the day ur the ine ditting here saying "NO HELP"

Notice all the stores and shit having signs asking for employees. All the op eds of "where da workers at". Its not 1 to 1 but the fact you are so insistent on not helping them speaks volumes. U can pretendcsll day long u have some BS reason but at the end of the day ur the ine ditting here saying "NO HELP" No one wants to work in the many open jobs available so we should give them more money for not working. Makes sense.

There's a PANDEMIC. Forgive people for not being keen to work menial wages with a deadly virus out. Not like there is a bill that will guarantee better wages incentivizing people to work. Maybe with a catchy name like "Build Back better".