Ah, all this started because some asshole troll insulted the appearance of this senator.

It's amazing how this all just retreads the anti-gay arguments from a few decades ago that most people have gotten over. Actually I think this is quite different then "gay panic" if that's what you are implying. Guys don't care where they go. Most of the contention on this issue is coming from women, girls, and children. And society seriously oversexualizes gays and trans people. The vast majority just want to pee, not perv on people in the bathroom. I don't think it's fear of pervs thats generating concern or anything to do with sex. Most young women are extremely sensitive about their bodies and this is an issue about respecting them in a very private space. While most of the debate has been respectful here, I just feel calling people dense or dumb for their beliefs is overly aggressive and non-productive. And what started this whole thing for me - the use of the word genocide - seems like political hyperbole to advance an agenda. I'll stand by that it is an extreme misuse of the term.

Actually I think this is quite different then "gay panic" if that's what you are implying. Guys don't care where they go. Most of the contention on this issue is coming from women, girls, and children. I've certainly gotten earfuls in the past, including same conservative extended family member women, about how they don't want lesbians perving over them in women's bathrooms. I'm still concerned about your children assertion. "Children" can cover a large range of ages and I don't really see a lot of the age range actually being concerned about this topic. Trotting out the "Protect the Children" argument is a time-honored propaganda tactic to shut off parents' brains when the actual statistics show the threats generally lie elsewhere. I don't think it's fear of pervs thats generating concern or anything to do with sex. Most young women are extremely sensitive about their bodies and this is an issue about respecting them in a very private space. If that's the case than the worst place to put them would be in a private space with other young women who can be downright vicious about other girl's bodies. And it's not like trans women aren't often extremely sensitive about their own bodies. While most of the debate has been respectful here, I just feel calling people dense or dumb for their beliefs is overly aggressive and non-productive. And what started this whole thing for me - the use of the word genocide - seems like political hyperbole to advance an agenda. I'll stand by that it is an extreme misuse of the term. I've often avoided substantive discussion on this site for several years for this reason. They usually devolve into talking point exaggerations or shock partisan topic derailment talking points and name calling.

Actually I think this is quite different then "gay panic" if that's what you are implying. Guys don't care where they go. Most of the contention on this issue is coming from women, girls, and children. Nope. The people I am seeing make this a contentious issue are old Cis White Men talking on BEHALF of women and Children. Most young people are on the side of Trans People I don't think it's fear of pervs thats generating concern or anything to do with sex. Most young women are extremely sensitive about their bodies and this is an issue about respecting them in a very private space. 1. Tell that to the people who want to label all Trans People as Groomers (then give them the death penalty) that you are literally agreeing with right now. 2. Odd then that the same people advocating against Trans People, ALSO want to regulate women's bodies. Don't pretend you give a shit about women now While most of the debate has been respectful here, I just feel calling people dense or dumb for their beliefs is overly aggressive and non-productive. And what started this whole thing for me - the use of the word genocide - seems like political hyperbole to advance an agenda. I'll stand by that it is an extreme misuse of the term. A simple solution would be actually using the sources I gave, then you would actually understand why this IS a genocide. There are people who said the same thing when Jews were being taken to the Ghettos. #NeverAgain

Don't pretend you give a shit about women now That seems to be expressed towards User#9757 and I don't recall anything where he expressed wanting to regulate women's bodies. you would actually understand why this IS a genocide. There are people who said the same thing when Jews were being taken to the Ghettos. The Nazis did attempt genocide - not just of Jews but also gays and trans People. Using similar arguments to the extremists now. But I would agree with User#9757 that we aren't at that point yet - especially using the more common definition of genocide - and that's a hyperbolic argument. Not that we should be cautious about the possibility of it going that way. There are certainly extremists on the far right who want it to go that way. The US Arizona conservative political action group Family Watch International were instrumental in pushing Uganda to adopt the death penalty for gays legislation. But right now that's just the extremists, although they do seem to be getting more of a voice in the GOP lately.

Man, the places these long discussions happen...

That seems to be expressed towards User#9757 and I don't recall anything where he expressed wanting to regulate women's bodies. Its the argument of his bedfellows, my point is the conservative argument of "Protecting Women" is bullshit when they advocate policies that actively hurt woman The Nazis did attempt genocide - not just of Jews but also gays and trans People. Using similar arguments to the extremists now. But I would agree with User#9757 that we aren't at that point yet - especially using the more common definition of genocide - and that's a hyperbolic argument. Notice how you say that they are using similar arguments, that's my point. This is how it starts, this is how every genocide begins. And I want to prevent it from getting to the actively worse parts. And as I have linked above the history of the term genocide is intentionally made to a high standard so things that would probably be classified as genocides don't meet the threshold. The biggest example would be the USA and the Native Americans Not that we should be cautious about the possibility of it going that way. There are certainly extremists on the far right who want it to go that way. The US Arizona conservative political action group Family Watch International were instrumental in pushing Uganda to adopt the death penalty for gays legislation. But right now that's just the extremists, although they do seem to be getting more of a voice in the GOP lately. I'm just saying: Hitler was denounced as fringe too, then when he was no longer fringe, it was too late. And when the 2 frontrunners for the GOP are actively campaigning for this.

TIL who Buck Angel is. LOL. Good night all. image://i.imgflip.com/7n0q89.jpg

Lockdowns are too genocides as suicides skyrocketed due to lockdowns. The Covid pandemic was the traumatic incident. Are you suggesting that unrestricted spread and likely more deaths would have been less traumatic? There was no magical perfect solution that people chose not to do. Until a vaccine was available, all we could do was try to pick the least bad course of action.

Most young people are on the side of Trans People You may well believe that to be true. Regardless, it absolutely is not. Anyone who imagines the Zoomers are uniformly pro-Trans, has somehow mistaken dominant press propaganda for real-life experience. Yeah, sure, in neighborhoods where the median household income is $200K+ per anum, everyone's on board with whatever nonsense the ruling class is demanding this week. But the rest of society? Not so much.

You may well believe that to be true. Regardless, it absolutely is not. Anyone who imagines the Zoomers are uniformly pro-Trans, has somehow mistaken dominant press propaganda for real-life experience. Yeah, sure, in neighborhoods where the median household income is $200K+ per anum, everyone's on board with whatever nonsense the ruling class is demanding this week. But the rest of society? Not so much. Literally every single thing you said is such inane bullshit it is really hard to unpack. The funny thing is conservatives will say this and then turn around confused as to why they are losing the demographic that 47% says that society needs to go further in acceptance of Trans People. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/americans-complex-views-on-gender-identity-and-transgender-issues/ The absolute funniest thing is the whole "everyone's on board with whatever nonsense the ruling class is demanding this week." when the ruling class has literally never been on the side of Social Progress, they are the ones who build and maintain the system as it is. The fucking richest American is literally endorsing the guy pushing hardest against Trans People right now and yet you are still going to complain that society is against you somehow. For all the bullshit reactionaries say about the left having a "created victimhood" you guys are the ones who always have the biggest victimhood complexes imaginable 🤣🤣🤣