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D:10718Jack AP ( -52.52 points)December 23, 2021 10:04pm
Would love a poll or two on this race to know where we stand on Kunce vs Sifton

 
D:1989RBH ( 5694.97 points)December 23, 2021 11:17pm
I mean, it might hard to get polling in the summer of 2022. It feels like you're not gonna get much independent polling right now and if you do, it'll involve a lot of undecideds due to low name ID

 
D:10718Jack AP ( -52.52 points)December 24, 2021 04:03am
Unfortunately you’re right there - but surely a good portion of MO Dems will know of the two front runners by now?

I may not be fully correct on that but Sifton being a state Sen & Kunce putting himself out there should have some effect?

 
D:1989RBH ( 5694.97 points)December 24, 2021 12:26pm
they probably don't, the people who are online and very engaged aren't nearly as plentiful as the people who are also online but not necessarily deeply engaged

this is the lower profile seat compared to what'll likely happen in 2 years when some candidates run and raise money because of people who dislike Hawley

 
I:9775Natalie ( 108.00 points)March 20, 2022 01:52am
My aunt is Lucas Kunce’s campaign photographer and has Kuncepilled me. I plan on volunteering to work on his campaign after I go to one of his rallies in May.

 
D:1989RBH ( 5694.97 points)March 28, 2022 05:23pm
If any of the people in the vicinity of MOSen Dem primary discourse quickly become experts in Anheuser-Busch topics, it's not because they've started drinking, it's because Trudy Busch Valentine is the daughter of Gussie Busch.

This primary feels like a race to 30% among a bunch of candidates who could fail to reach 10%

 
D:1989RBH ( 5694.97 points)March 28, 2022 07:07pm
I typed all that up without knowing that Sifton was about to drop out and endorse a Busch family member

 
R:10538Southern_Moderate2 ( 62.93 points)March 28, 2022 10:44pm
Seems like a few higher profile Dems would want to give this race a shot just in case Greitens gets the nomination and then murders someone on live TV

 
D:1989RBH ( 5694.97 points)March 29, 2022 12:52am
Busch Valentine's candidacy might be a very late announced candidacy under the idea of being able to spend some money in case Greitens gets nominated. Someone somewhere probably thinks "hey, a self-funding woman against Eric Greitens in a general election is a contrast of candidates"

I get the impression that the Greitens custody story got Busch Valentine off the fence late in the filing season.

I didn't know until today that the Busch family (as in Anheuser-Busch) has had an interesting history (I'm not from the St. Louis side of Missouri).

Busch Valentine is a daughter of Gussie Busch (who was the chairman of A-B from 1949 to 1975). Gussie had 11 children by 3 wives. The youngest was born in 1966.

In 1975, Gussie's son August III ("Auggie") led a boardroom coup to take the CEO/Chairman role in response to Gussie becoming "difficult to work with" due to his grief over the death of his youngest child (she died in a car accident on her way home from school).

Eventually Anheuser-Busch was taken over by InBev, a Belgian company. Divisions in the Busch family were a factor in that takeover. A-B has been a division of InBev since 2008.

Trudy likely has a lot of money of some amount. I guess she's technically a beer heiress even with InBev controlling what used to be her family's business. Auggie and Trudy have different mothers and that Auggie's son August IV was the Chairman when InBev took it over, so Trudy's an heiress who really wasn't that high in the order of succession in 2008.

From what I hear, A-B has a good reputation in regards to unions (it is "Union-made beer" afterall), which avoids one complication from running a rich self funder in a Democratic primary.

Having a nominee who was never elected to anything is a rare thing for Missouri Democrats in a Governor or Senate primary.

I think whoever wins this primary is technically an 'outsider', which might have some upside in a general election. But it would have more upside in a better year for Dems.

Really, if she has the money to spend, a reasonable step one is "tell your story and be positive" to try and win the primary and stick out from the expected fracas in the R primary. Then if Greitens wins, or there's an acrimonious campaign, then in the best case scenario for Dems, they have a candidate with good name ID to try and pull off an upset.

Similar advice for a primary could apply to any other Dem candidate who can go on the air before August.

Just going heavy on "Greitens is awful" without really establishing positive name ID would be a dumb use of money.

 
Joker:9757BrentinCO ( 9685.29 points)July 26, 2022 07:40pm
Anyone from the "Show Me State" have a report on this race? Is Busch Valentine pumping her beer money into the KC and St. Louis airwaves?

 
D:1989RBH ( 5694.97 points)July 26, 2022 10:59pm
I'm not a good source for this info because I don't do the civic thing of watching the local news

I did watch the Major League Baseball all-star game last week where both Valentine and Kunce aired positive ads. So I'd imagine they've both spent their fair share.

And now this week there's a scuffle involving various negative ads. Kunce airing ads about TBV taking part in the Veiled Prophets Ball (it's a weird St. Louis thing) and TBV airing an ad about Kunce's stances when he was running for office in 2006 (which inspired a Cease and Desist call from Kunce's campaign)

I'm sure this isn't the first time that VoteSmart's NPAT has inspired a commercial (even if they don't like candidates doing that).

Also there's various squabbles with candidates accusing others of not wanting to debate.

But I can't really predict things right now.

 
D:1989RBH ( 5694.97 points)July 28, 2022 07:40pm
obvious Coffeementum going on right now

 
D:1989RBH ( 5694.97 points)August 01, 2022 08:05pm
Missouri doesn't do early voting or much voting by mail so endorsing a candidate on the day before the primary isn't as irrelevant as it would be in some states

 
CPCC:6380Zeus the Moose ( 691.45 points)August 01, 2022 08:16pm
Too bad there isn't a Dem primary candidate named Eric

 
D:1989RBH ( 5694.97 points)August 03, 2022 12:55am
the Dem primary was closer than the R primary.... just as everybody expected

 
D:1989RBH ( 5694.97 points)August 29, 2022 04:19pm
some parts of the deviation map is the "where Busch Valentine and Kunce didn't advertise on local TV" map with some random distributions of small numbers in other parts of the state