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LSjustbloggin: You can't stop old politicians from seeking re-election.
Yeah you can. TERM LIMITS | |||
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The one article that discussed it had researchers going on about "It won't end polarization or gerrymandering"....ok, it also doesn't give us Unicorns and Lollipops, cause thats not the issue at hand. Those are OTHER ISSUES addressed with OTHER electoral reforms. What Term Limits does is prevent dementia ridden old ****s dictate policies that they will NEVER deal with because they are one small breeze away from crumbling to dust, all because they can coast on name recognition. And YES, that issue will get resolved with term limits. | |||
Hell, we've seen term limits in action in places like Florida & Michigan (where they recently had to increase the term limit) and the results show it's either net neutral or net negative. | ||||
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hammer101peeps: Again, I feel like introducing age limits is probably what you want if you don't want old men in politics any more.
No....I'm in favor of term limits. Because regardless of age there needs to be a cap how long a person can dictate policy before they are no longer suited to address the needs of the current generation. Why should a guy get to stay in office for 30 years AS LONG as he diesn't hit the magic number we say he can't do so. So having a term limit in general works better than that. hammer101peeps: Hell, we've seen term limits in action in places like Florida &; Michigan (where they recently had to increase the term limit) and the results show it's either net neutral or net negative.
Based on what? Because Blue Team didn't win? Couldn't be cause Blue Team's stupid as **** and can't do ****, it has to be those NASTY TERM LIMITS. Without them, you coulda stayed there forever....like WHAT? | |||
Like, have you ever realized why far right groups/people like The Heritage Foundation and Rush Limbaugh loved term limits? Thom Hartmann had a really informative Substack about it a while back. I recommend it (even though I don't agree with all of it): [Link] | ||||
E Pluribus Unum: <q 11727="">You can't stop old politicians from seeking re-election.
Yeah you can. TERM LIMITS There's not enough support in Congress to pass them. | ||||
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hammer101peeps: What? This has nothing to do with term limits being bad for Democrats. There's a lot of research out there about how term limits have directly helped lobbyists.
Like, have you ever realized why far right groups/people like The Heritage Foundation and Rush Limbaugh loved term limits? Thom Hartmann had a really informative Substack about it a while back. I recommend it (even though I don't agree with all of it): [Link] I mean, you are stating right there that Term Limits are favorable to the Heritage Foundation and Rush Limbaugh, so implying they don't help your team. "tErM lImItS hElP lObByIsTs"; then maybe campaign finance reform should be a top issue then.... LSjustbloggin: There's not enough support in Congress to pass them.
And the Police won't investigate their own crimes. Yeah no ****, that'd have to be dine in a way that circumvents congress, like an Executive Order or a Constitutional Convention Both of these statements give me the opportunity to mention Lawrence Lessig, as he has very explicitly addressed all these concerns in the past and I encourage you all to look into his stuff on that (And Copyright, but thats a seperate story) | |||
And doing the Spongebob tAlKiNg LiKe ThIs meme doesn't negate my point man lol | ||||
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Its ok for someone to stay in office for DECADES, provided they do it before they reach an age limit. A guy can go into office at 25 and stay till he is 69? But once he hits 70 thats a BRIDGE TOO FAR... The lobbyist point doesn't work either considering what the system you advocate for allows lobbyists to buy a seat and effectively keep it for decades (Provided they don't go one year past the age limit). | |||
We've seen it in Michigan, Florida, name any state with term limits, lobbyists have an excess role (Even more than normal) because of term limits. If you are vehemently against lobbyists (which hey I don't blame you, I hate them too), you should not support something that gives them more power than they normally do right now. | ||||
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hammer101peeps: Right now, what's stopping lobbyists from buying politicians under term limits? Nothing! Term limits or no term limits, nothing's stopping them unless there's actual lobbying reform.
Wow cool, almost as if I support that exact thing....I mean I literally brought up Lawrence Lessig that's made it a huge part of his career tackling the problems with lobbying...you act like I am JUST supporting Term Limits and nothing else. hammer101peeps: We've seen it in Michigan, Florida, name any state with term limits, lobbyists have an excess role (Even more than normal) because of term limits. If you are vehemently against lobbyists (which hey I don't blame you, I hate them too), you should not support something that gives them more power than they normally do right now.
I relooked at the Hartmann article you sent, there's like NO citations for anything he says, its all opinion based really. He just SAYS "when Term Limits happen, people like Bernie and AOC will be pushed out and the Overton window will shift to the right" based on what? How do we KNOW the Overton window shifts to the right. With no Term Limits AIPAC was able to shift the Overton window to the right, and can now use their money to coast the 400 Reps they own forever. What's gonna stop them? His Florida example is ****ing hilarious: "The absence of long-serving legislators under term limits equates to a significant loss of experience and institutional memory. Those who had built a career in the Legislature were not applauded for the expertise they had developed but were castigated If you are not DOING anything, I do not give a flying **** about your "expertise". Dianne Feinstein was VERY EXPERIENCED, and literally ****ing dies doing nothing. Raul Grijalva was a really good representative, missed 98% of the votes in the last year because he was dying of cancer, but since he was ALLOWED to seek that term, he did. Chuck Schumer is "EXPERIENCED", literally stabbed his party in the back. All while being bankrolled by lobbyists. Your solution comes with 3 problems, the thing you think my solution is only has 1. The world is burning and you are telling me not to put water on it because you are waiting for a fire extinguisher that's not coming. | |||
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