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  Trump encourages North Carolina residents to vote twice to test mail-in system
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AuthorLauren Egan and Pete Williams
News DateWednesday, September 2, 2020 11:30:00 PM UTC0:0
DescriptionPresident Donald Trump suggested that people in North Carolina should vote twice in the November election, once by mail and once in-person, escalating his attempts to cast confusion and doubt on the validity of the results.

"So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system's as good as they say it is, then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote,” Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in the battleground state.

"If it's as good as they say it is then obviously they won't be able to vote. If it isn't tabulated, they'll be able to vote. So that's the way it is. And that's what they should do," he said.

It is illegal to vote more than once in an election.
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WmP:879Chronicler ( 84.4516 points)
Thu, September 3, 2020 01:00:33 AM UTC0:00
Lock them up!

 
D:1RP ( 5506.7227 points)
Thu, September 3, 2020 04:14:25 PM UTC0:00
North Carolina Class I Felony Law:

For any person with intent to commit a fraud to register or vote at more than one precinct or more than one time, or to induce another to do so, in the same primary or election, or to vote illegally at any primary or election.

 
Un:9757BrentinCO ( 6338.6216 points)
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Thu, September 3, 2020 07:30:52 PM UTC0:00
I'll be the first Republican to weigh-in. And I don't feel this is liberal media sensationalism or bias despite coming from NBC news.

This is the type of stuff that has always made me uncomfortable about Trump. His win all at all cost mentality that has served as a boiler plate for his business career, finds itself into our political system once again.

This is yet another example of Trump debasing our democratic institutions and trying to create doubt in the result of what will likely be a close election. If any other politician did the same encouraging voters to vote twice, they would be roundly criticized in their own party. If Reagan was "Teflon Ron" I'm not sure what to call Trump's ability to continually get away with things like this and break the norms of our democracy.

Above party, I value our democracy and in a race that is winnable on issues Trump is pushing, there simply is no reason to create chaos and doubt except that it serve as comfort for a possible loss - "I didn't really lose because of all that voter fraud."

If it wasn't already apparent, this should serve notice that if Biden wins Trump will make it a "win" or a win*.

And that one of things we have cherished in our democracy - the peaceful transition of governments - is probably also at risk. I've resigned myself that we will not have a result on election night due to Covid and postal voting.

Ultimately I do have faith that our constitution has accounted for this and that if the election ends up in the Supreme Court due to the myriad of lawsuits being prepared by both parties already, country over party will prevail. I also have confidence that in the case of a Trump loss, there will be enough (certainly not all) Republicans that will break with Trump in support of our democratic institutions.

 
D:1RP ( 5506.7227 points)
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Thu, September 3, 2020 09:09:17 PM UTC0:00
BrentinCO: Ultimately I do have faith that our constitution has accounted for this and that if the election ends up in the Supreme Court due to the myriad of lawsuits being prepared by both parties already, country over party will prevail. I also have confidence that in the case of a Trump loss, there will be enough (certainly not all) Republicans that will break with Trump in support of our democratic institutions.

I wish I had your confidence on both counts.

The Supreme Court decision for the 2000 election shook my confidence on that count. Not even due to the content of the decision, but their admission that it wasn't legitimate by disallowing it to ever be used as precedent.

And as for the latter, the refusal to even allow witnesses in Trump's impeachment trial. He obviously wouldn't have been convicted anyway, but it was made clear that they would take steps to cover the evidence all up.

I have no doubt in my mind that Trump will declare victory on November 3rd regardless of the real situation with the results.

 
WmP:879Chronicler ( 84.4516 points)
Thu, September 3, 2020 09:27:36 PM UTC0:00
John Roberts has shown a willingness to stand up for an independent judiciary on a few occasions, somewhat in opposition to Trump. It's hard to say how he might rule in a contested presidential election, but I hope that if such materialized that Roberts would use it as an opportunity to demonstrate what an independent judiciary is all about.

 
D:7CA Pol Junkie ( 4947.9873 points)
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Thu, September 3, 2020 10:15:52 PM UTC0:00
Trump's delegitimizing the election works both ways: if he were to pull out an electoral college win (no doubt with a popular vote loss bigger than last time), I don't think Democrats would accept the result. Since Trump is priming his supporters to reject a Biden win, I think the only way to avoid widespread civil unrest is an overwhelming Biden win.

 
D:1RP ( 5506.7227 points)
Fri, September 4, 2020 04:32:37 AM UTC0:00
That is true - even though Roberts is more conservative than Kennedy, he's less partisan. Hope it's enough.

 
I:10200Jeaux ( 55.7098 points)
Fri, September 4, 2020 01:19:33 PM UTC0:00
Chronicler: John Roberts has shown a willingness to stand up for an independent judiciary on a few occasions, somewhat in opposition to Trump. It's hard to say how he might rule in a contested presidential election, but I hope that if such materialized that Roberts would use it as an opportunity to demonstrate what an independent judiciary is all about.

I think Gorsuch has a possibility to break from Trump too, he's already voted in some surprising ways (i.e. workplace protections for LGBTQ+). Kavanaugh is a lost cause though

 
D:1RP ( 5506.7227 points)
Sat, September 19, 2020 04:39:26 AM UTC0:00
Chronicler: John Roberts has shown a willingness to stand up for an independent judiciary on a few occasions, somewhat in opposition to Trump. It's hard to say how he might rule in a contested presidential election, but I hope that if such materialized that Roberts would use it as an opportunity to demonstrate what an independent judiciary is all about.

So what are your thoughts about this now?

 
WmP:879Chronicler ( 84.4516 points)
Sat, September 19, 2020 09:06:14 PM UTC0:00
Well just in general my thoughts are that RBG's death underscores that we need to do everything in our power to bring about a landslide for Joe Biden that will also overturn Republican control of the US Senate.