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   Sanders campaign vents frustration with media, polls
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Last EditedWA Indy  Jul 17, 2019 10:28am
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AuthorJonathan Easley and Max Greenwood
News DateWednesday, July 17, 2019 04:00:00 PM UTC0:0
DescriptionSen. Bernie Sanders’s (I-Vt.) campaign aides are questioning the polls and venting frustration with the news media, arguing that a biased political press is writing him off or blackballing him from coverage of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary.

Sanders is in second or third place in many national and early-state polls, but his campaign has struggled to overcome the emerging narrative that his moment has passed.
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I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -285.0314 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 02:23:29 PM UTC0:00
My Congressman is a Weiner: 1. Superdelegates are people not robots. 2. Citation needed on them “forbidding” media coverage. 3. This has as much credibility as the idea Hillary is responsible for birtherism.

1. Didn't address my point
2. [Link]
3. You love to keep comparing this to outlandish claims, but THIS actually happened

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -285.0314 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 05:19:22 PM UTC0:00
Ok, let me see if you're at least consistent, Why do you beleive Hillary ultimately lost to Trump...

 
D:8255My Congressman is a Weiner ( -19.7986 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 06:06:48 PM UTC0:00
E Pluribus Unum: <q 8255="">1. Superdelegates are people not robots. 2. Citation needed on them “forbidding” media coverage. 3. This has as much credibility as the idea Hillary is responsible for birtherism.

1. Didn't address my point
2. [Link]
3. You love to keep comparing this to outlandish claims, but THIS actually happened

1. You treated superdelegates like DNC chess pieces. They were all individuals who made their choices individually.
2. I saw plenty of Bernie Sanders coverage on MSNBC during the election. If there was a suppression effort, it was highly ineffective.
3. Just saying it over and over doesn’t make it more convincing each time.

 
R:9804Southern Moderate ( 0.0000 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 06:17:25 PM UTC0:00
Hillary lost because she got fewer electoral votes than Trump.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -285.0314 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 06:24:32 PM UTC0:00
But why didn't she win the three Rust Belt Swing States that usually vote Blue?

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -285.0314 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 06:50:31 PM UTC0:00
My Congressman is a Weiner:
1. You treated superdelegates like DNC chess pieces. They were all individuals who made their choices individually.
2. I saw plenty of Bernie Sanders coverage on MSNBC during the election. If there was a suppression effort, it was highly ineffective.
3. Just saying it over and over doesn’t make it more convincing each time.

1. A lot of Superdelegates were officials in the DNC. And a good majority of superdelegates supported Hillary before anyone cast their votes.
2. They did suppress a lot of coverage of the Bernie campaign (the Ed Schultz incident being the biggest example), a lot more coverage was spent skewing how things looked due to them lumping superdelegates into the delegate count despite their unpledged status.
3. I don't know what else to say, it happened, saying it didn't would be like saying that George Washington did not become our first president...

 
I:1038WA Indy ( 1454.9387 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 07:02:25 PM UTC0:00
Omg, you’ve opened my eyes! Hilary did coordinate everything to beat Bernie only to lose to Trump because somehow her grand conspiracy was good enough to beat the super popular Bernie but not Trump. I’m a believer now!

Why’s Bernie not running away with it this time, though? Are THEY doing it again?!

 
R:9804Southern Moderate ( 0.0000 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 08:04:16 PM UTC0:00
Because she got fewer votes than Trump in those three states.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -285.0314 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 08:42:19 PM UTC0:00
I mean WHY, I'm trying to get you to talk about Hillary's TPP losing the Working Class Voter to Trump

 
R:9804Southern Moderate ( 0.0000 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 08:44:48 PM UTC0:00
You're getting conjectural.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -285.0314 points)
x2
Sat, July 20, 2019 09:24:11 PM UTC0:00
As opposed to the FACTS and LOGIC you all are espousing

 
R:9804Southern Moderate ( 0.0000 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 09:32:10 PM UTC0:00
Um. Yes.

 
I:10321RoyUSA ( -41.2632 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 09:51:16 PM UTC0:00
I do feel bad for Bernie's supporters though. They really did have a chance to win the nomination in 2016, but they were soft on Hilary. 2020 is going to be tough with Pete B. & Elizabeth Warren taking his voters.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -285.0314 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 09:54:08 PM UTC0:00
Pete isn't taking votes away from Bernie, not by a long shot.

Warren, maybe a little bit.

And to a lesser extent Tulsi, Yang, and Williamson

 
D:8255My Congressman is a Weiner ( -19.7986 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 05:04:29 AM UTC0:00
“1. A lot of Superdelegates were officials in the DNC. And a good majority of superdelegates supported Hillary before anyone cast their votes.
2. They did suppress a lot of coverage of the Bernie campaign (the Ed Schultz incident being the biggest example), a lot more coverage was spent skewing how things looked due to them lumping superdelegates into the delegate count despite their unpledged status.
3. I don't know what else to say, it happened, saying it didn't would be like saying that George Washington did not become our first president...”

If they had pledged before voting started (as is their right), why was it wrong to include them in delegate totals? If they had publicly endorsed, doesn’t that count? And my point about repeating your assertion is that when others aren’t convinced, just saying it again and again won’t do it.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -285.0314 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 05:08:13 AM UTC0:00
My Congressman is a Weiner: If they had pledged before voting started (as is their right), why was it wrong to include them in delegate totals? If they had publicly endorsed, doesn’t that count? And my point about repeating your assertion is that when others aren’t convinced, just saying it again and again won’t do it.

Not my fault you don't acknowledge the evidence

 
R:9804Southern Moderate ( 0.0000 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 05:36:40 AM UTC0:00
Present actual evidence. I follow the facts. But you producing stuff from an echo chamber in one corner of the Internet isn't evidence.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -285.0314 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 05:39:19 AM UTC0:00
That is actual evidence, these are Independent News outlets reporting on it you just choose to ignore it cause it's not one of the Corporate Outlets

 
D:10229State Legislatures Big Fan ( 47.3658 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 05:51:33 PM UTC0:00
What in heavens I just missed?

 
D:8255My Congressman is a Weiner ( -19.7986 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 07:30:23 PM UTC0:00
One guy with a YouTube account doesn’t make an “independent news outlet”. Does he have sources? Can he (or you) back up his assertions? It doesn’t have to be a “corporate outlet”, just something journalistically reliable.

 
I:7114Kyle ( 721.6654 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 07:39:01 PM UTC0:00
My Congressman is a Weiner: One guy with a YouTube account doesn’t make an “independent news outlet”. Does he have sources? Can he (or you) back up his assertions? It doesn’t have to be a “corporate outlet”, just something journalistically reliable.

Don't doubt the ability of some people to call something "corporate" in order to avoid an intelligent discussion.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -285.0314 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 11:05:37 PM UTC0:00
My Congressman is a Weiner: One guy with a YouTube account doesn’t make an “independent news outlet”. Does he have sources? Can he (or you) back up his assertions? It doesn’t have to be a “corporate outlet”, just something journalistically reliable.

He summarizes the emails DIRECTLY PROVIDED by Wikileaks

 
I:1038WA Indy ( 1454.9387 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 11:51:44 PM UTC0:00
Eyeroll. Those emails just show day-to-day operations of the DNC or the Clinton campaign. You can only see a conspiracy if you really, really want to.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -285.0314 points)
Mon, July 22, 2019 02:23:09 AM UTC0:00
WA Indy: Eyeroll. Those emails just show day-to-day operations of the DNC or the Clinton campaign. You can only see a conspiracy if you really, really want to.
They show the DNC was tipping the scales in favor of Hillary

 
D:8255My Congressman is a Weiner ( -19.7986 points)
Mon, July 22, 2019 09:25:45 AM UTC0:00
Please explain in a calm, rational manner. Use actual quotes and explain how they support your thesis. Use unbiased sources to support you if possible.