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   Sanders campaign vents frustration with media, polls
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Last EditedPA Indy  Jul 17, 2019 10:28am
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AuthorJonathan Easley and Max Greenwood
News DateWednesday, July 17, 2019 04:00:00 PM UTC0:0
DescriptionSen. Bernie Sanders’s (I-Vt.) campaign aides are questioning the polls and venting frustration with the news media, arguing that a biased political press is writing him off or blackballing him from coverage of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary.

Sanders is in second or third place in many national and early-state polls, but his campaign has struggled to overcome the emerging narrative that his moment has passed.
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D:7918Labour Dem ( 152.8636 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 04:53:51 AM UTC0:00
There was a story in 2016 about how a black voter in South Carolina received a phone call from a Sanders volunteer who reminded her that Sanders supports welfare after the voter said that she wasn't voting for Sanders. The voter wasn't on welfare and was taken aback by the comment. Lots of Sanders supporters have some odd ideas about black voters and feel they somehow owe Sanders their vote.

There was also the meme that "If it wasn't for black people Bernie would be President" that came off as quite divisive.

 
I:1038PA Indy ( 1352.2366 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 05:32:41 AM UTC0:00
E Pluribus Unum:
Where did I say that?

I’m an independent news source just saying it as I see it.

 
D:8255My Congressman is a Weiner ( -19.7986 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 06:32:41 AM UTC0:00
“They had all the power to award pretty much all of their superdelegates to Hillary before any state cast their vote, They had all the power when they told people in the media they are forbidden from covering Bernie, They had all the power when they tried to get someone to insinuate Bernie was an Atheist before the West Virginia Primary. IT WAS ****ING RIGGED AGAINST HIM... ”

1. Superdelegates are people not robots. 2. Citation needed on them “forbidding” media coverage. 3. This has as much credibility as the idea Hillary is responsible for birtherism.

 
D:8255My Congressman is a Weiner ( -19.7986 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 06:33:52 AM UTC0:00
Also Kyle Kulinski isn’t a journalist.

 
R:9757BrentinCO ( 3307.2993 points)
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Sat, July 20, 2019 08:38:30 AM UTC0:00
The "Hillary fixed the 2016 Democratic Nomination" is not much different from the red scare or the birther movement or any of the many other political movements in our nearly 250 year history that has prayed upon the paranoia of sincere, but narrow focused voters.

The book has been already written on this - a bunch of false flags but with different characters, timelines and locations. Its about when the fringe gets less fringey and gets broader acceptance. And Bernie Bros are no different. But championing paranoia on the left instead of the right.

For Bernie Bros, Hillary Clinton and the Democratic establishment = the illusive subversive Hollywood communist cabal that was collaborating with Moscow and a big enough threat to overthrow American Democracy OR that supposed real but never accredited African Obama birth certificate because people named Barack Hussein Obama II can't possibly be from America.

The formula? Take a few pieces of information and exaggerate them to the power of 100, mix in a little emotional appeal for good measure. All of this is a place to focus anger and provide conspiratorial evidence for disappointment or political disenfranchisement. Its a distraction. A side track.

Act II was when Bernie peaked in 2016. We are in Act III: When Bernie Bros grow up.

The Bernie stuff will all be over soon, probably during the 2020 election or shortly after.

All I've said about Bernie Bros can be said about Trumpists. I'm doing my won thing on the right with Trump. Waiting out the Trumpists who have been lured in by irresponsible Alex Jones crap about crazy conspiratorial tin foil hat stuff. Except on our side its more than just a boutique movement of voters. Our crazy movement has gone mainstream and is in power, and anyone that has a different opinion is afraid to speak out. Our Act III is when Trumpists realize they've been duped.

There are simply no winning arguments when debating Bernie Bros or Trumpists. Both groups have been coerced to believe facts are false or the product of some establishment factory that is suppressing them. Nothing we can say will dissuade them from thinking Trump or Bernie are infallible geniuses. Its a cult of personality on both fronts.

My comfort and your comfort should be in the fact history repeats itself. Periods of volatile political and personality driven movements - whether they are on the right or the left, whether they are in power or a vocal opposition - are always replaced by a periods of normalcy and a renaissance of intellectual political thought. Americans will eventually gravitate back towards not hating each other and actually liking each other, even if we disagree politically. We always do or at least the bulk of us do. There will always be a finge.

I'm very optimistic the 2020s will be very good times for both conservative and liberal thinkers. There will be amazing public policy and ideas. And a new age of political enlightenment.

It has to be. Because the division, drama and lunacy of the 2000s - 2010s politics has been ****ing crazy.



Paranoid style in American politics lives on in the 2016 campaign
OP/ED David Horsey

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I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -300.4630 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 02:23:29 PM UTC0:00
My Congressman is a Weiner: 1. Superdelegates are people not robots. 2. Citation needed on them “forbidding” media coverage. 3. This has as much credibility as the idea Hillary is responsible for birtherism.

1. Didn't address my point
2. [Link]
3. You love to keep comparing this to outlandish claims, but THIS actually happened

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -300.4630 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 05:19:22 PM UTC0:00
Ok, let me see if you're at least consistent, Why do you beleive Hillary ultimately lost to Trump...

 
D:8255My Congressman is a Weiner ( -19.7986 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 06:06:48 PM UTC0:00
E Pluribus Unum: <q 8255="">1. Superdelegates are people not robots. 2. Citation needed on them “forbidding” media coverage. 3. This has as much credibility as the idea Hillary is responsible for birtherism.

1. Didn't address my point
2. [Link]
3. You love to keep comparing this to outlandish claims, but THIS actually happened

1. You treated superdelegates like DNC chess pieces. They were all individuals who made their choices individually.
2. I saw plenty of Bernie Sanders coverage on MSNBC during the election. If there was a suppression effort, it was highly ineffective.
3. Just saying it over and over doesn’t make it more convincing each time.

 
R:9804Southern Moderate ( 0.0000 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 06:17:25 PM UTC0:00
Hillary lost because she got fewer electoral votes than Trump.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -300.4630 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 06:24:32 PM UTC0:00
But why didn't she win the three Rust Belt Swing States that usually vote Blue?

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -300.4630 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 06:50:31 PM UTC0:00
My Congressman is a Weiner:
1. You treated superdelegates like DNC chess pieces. They were all individuals who made their choices individually.
2. I saw plenty of Bernie Sanders coverage on MSNBC during the election. If there was a suppression effort, it was highly ineffective.
3. Just saying it over and over doesn’t make it more convincing each time.

1. A lot of Superdelegates were officials in the DNC. And a good majority of superdelegates supported Hillary before anyone cast their votes.
2. They did suppress a lot of coverage of the Bernie campaign (the Ed Schultz incident being the biggest example), a lot more coverage was spent skewing how things looked due to them lumping superdelegates into the delegate count despite their unpledged status.
3. I don't know what else to say, it happened, saying it didn't would be like saying that George Washington did not become our first president...

 
I:1038PA Indy ( 1352.2366 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 07:02:25 PM UTC0:00
Omg, you’ve opened my eyes! Hilary did coordinate everything to beat Bernie only to lose to Trump because somehow her grand conspiracy was good enough to beat the super popular Bernie but not Trump. I’m a believer now!

Why’s Bernie not running away with it this time, though? Are THEY doing it again?!

 
R:9804Southern Moderate ( 0.0000 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 08:04:16 PM UTC0:00
Because she got fewer votes than Trump in those three states.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -300.4630 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 08:42:19 PM UTC0:00
I mean WHY, I'm trying to get you to talk about Hillary's TPP losing the Working Class Voter to Trump

 
R:9804Southern Moderate ( 0.0000 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 08:44:48 PM UTC0:00
You're getting conjectural.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -300.4630 points)
x2
Sat, July 20, 2019 09:24:11 PM UTC0:00
As opposed to the FACTS and LOGIC you all are espousing

 
R:9804Southern Moderate ( 0.0000 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 09:32:10 PM UTC0:00
Um. Yes.

 
I:10321RoyUSA ( -41.2891 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 09:51:16 PM UTC0:00
I do feel bad for Bernie's supporters though. They really did have a chance to win the nomination in 2016, but they were soft on Hilary. 2020 is going to be tough with Pete B. & Elizabeth Warren taking his voters.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -300.4630 points)
Sat, July 20, 2019 09:54:08 PM UTC0:00
Pete isn't taking votes away from Bernie, not by a long shot.

Warren, maybe a little bit.

And to a lesser extent Tulsi, Yang, and Williamson

 
D:8255My Congressman is a Weiner ( -19.7986 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 05:04:29 AM UTC0:00
“1. A lot of Superdelegates were officials in the DNC. And a good majority of superdelegates supported Hillary before anyone cast their votes.
2. They did suppress a lot of coverage of the Bernie campaign (the Ed Schultz incident being the biggest example), a lot more coverage was spent skewing how things looked due to them lumping superdelegates into the delegate count despite their unpledged status.
3. I don't know what else to say, it happened, saying it didn't would be like saying that George Washington did not become our first president...”

If they had pledged before voting started (as is their right), why was it wrong to include them in delegate totals? If they had publicly endorsed, doesn’t that count? And my point about repeating your assertion is that when others aren’t convinced, just saying it again and again won’t do it.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -300.4630 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 05:08:13 AM UTC0:00
My Congressman is a Weiner: If they had pledged before voting started (as is their right), why was it wrong to include them in delegate totals? If they had publicly endorsed, doesn’t that count? And my point about repeating your assertion is that when others aren’t convinced, just saying it again and again won’t do it.

Not my fault you don't acknowledge the evidence

 
R:9804Southern Moderate ( 0.0000 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 05:36:40 AM UTC0:00
Present actual evidence. I follow the facts. But you producing stuff from an echo chamber in one corner of the Internet isn't evidence.

 
I:9951E Pluribus Unum ( -300.4630 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 05:39:19 AM UTC0:00
That is actual evidence, these are Independent News outlets reporting on it you just choose to ignore it cause it's not one of the Corporate Outlets

 
D:10229State Legislatures Big Fan ( 73.5658 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 05:51:33 PM UTC0:00
What in heavens I just missed?

 
D:8255My Congressman is a Weiner ( -19.7986 points)
Sun, July 21, 2019 07:30:23 PM UTC0:00
One guy with a YouTube account doesn’t make an “independent news outlet”. Does he have sources? Can he (or you) back up his assertions? It doesn’t have to be a “corporate outlet”, just something journalistically reliable.