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  GOP lawmakers release proposed new congressional map
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Last EditedPA Indy  Feb 09, 2018 10:02pm
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AuthorSteve Esack and Laura Olson
MediaNewspaper - Allentown Morning Call
News DateSaturday, February 10, 2018 04:00:00 AM UTC0:0
DescriptionWith about six hours to spare, Republican legislative leaders hit a midnight deadline to provide Gov. Tom Wolf with their proposed blueprint for Pennsylvania’s new congressional map to replace the gerrymandered districts the state Supreme Court struck down as illegally partisan.

Senate President Pro Tempore Joe Scarnati, R-Jefferson, and House Speaker Mike Turzai, R-Allegheny, announced they had agreed on a map “that complies fully with” the Supreme Court’s order by splitting fewer municipalities and counties.
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Feb 20, 2018 12:35pm Analysis Pennsylvania’s New Map Helps Democrats. But It’s Not A Democratic Gerrymander.   Article RP 

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D:7918Labour Dem ( 152.8636 points)
Tue, February 20, 2018 02:28:25 AM UTC0:00
It's not an illegal map. The legislature was given the opportunity to pass a compact map and they refused to do that so the court drew the map. A compact map was going to benefit Democrats in South East Pennsylvania simply for geographic reasons.

 
R:194Scott³ ( 8749.2256 points)
Tue, February 20, 2018 02:31:34 AM UTC0:00
My Congressman is a Weiner: I’d be willing to have independent panels for every state and take my chances.

Iowa system yes.

None of this bogus bullsh*t pretend independent commission that we have out of Cali and Arizona where the Dems gamed the system by putting liberal pretend independents on the commission.

 
D:1989RBH ( 4353.9746 points)
Tue, February 20, 2018 02:32:02 AM UTC0:00
can we get single transferable vote and democracy sausages like in Australia?

Although the part of election results needing weeks to complete counting wouldn't be anything new in Washington and California.

 
R:194Scott³ ( 8749.2256 points)
Tue, February 20, 2018 02:32:58 AM UTC0:00
And not the NJ system either. Nor procedure such as Colorado where the map gets drawn by a bunch of liberal judges if the legislature fails to produce a map.

 
I:1038PA Indy ( 1352.2366 points)
Tue, February 20, 2018 02:40:21 AM UTC0:00
Scott³: And not the NJ system either. Nor procedure such as Colorado where the map gets drawn by a bunch of liberal judges if the legislature fails to produce a map.

We got it the first time, Republicans only or bias. Never mind that most of your party hates you.

 
I:6738IndyGeorgia ( 3015.9092 points)
Tue, February 20, 2018 02:47:06 AM UTC0:00
Agree with RBH. Wonder if in states with electronic voting, you could develop the technology to create a huge matrix of all of the vote combinations. Speed things up.

On the topic of commissions, I need to research who comprises the boundary commissions in the UK.

 
D:1989RBH ( 4353.9746 points)
Tue, February 20, 2018 02:53:44 AM UTC0:00
there's already enough people that distrust electronic voting for a First Past election, imagine the response to electronic voting for one of the actual super-complex methods

 
I:6738IndyGeorgia ( 3015.9092 points)
Tue, February 20, 2018 02:56:12 AM UTC0:00
True, and I used the word "matrix". That wouldn't go over well.

 
D:1989RBH ( 4353.9746 points)
Wed, February 21, 2018 12:46:30 AM UTC0:00
thinking it might be easier to pick up and move some of the primary races for Pennsylvania once the map becomes official instead of having to drop out and add candidates purely because the district numbers changed.

 
D:1RP ( 5218.4644 points)
Wed, February 21, 2018 01:29:44 AM UTC0:00
I was thinking about that too. The General Election races can stay though.

 
I:6738IndyGeorgia ( 3015.9092 points)
Wed, February 21, 2018 01:32:53 AM UTC0:00
Better change those PA-01 predictions from "Safe Democratic", then.

 
D:1989RBH ( 4353.9746 points)
Thu, February 22, 2018 12:31:25 AM UTC0:00
there's also a lawsuit from the NAACP/Common Cause regarding the Philadelphia districts that's apparently possible here.. but usually VRA things don't move this quickly for places that don't need preclearance.

I forget which 2012 map was the last one, but Texas did have the maps and primary dates change mid-cycle in 2012.

Then again, the PA legislative maps had to be redone on here because they had tentative 2012 maps and just ended up using the 2002 maps in 2012 and using new maps in 2014.

 
D:1RP ( 5218.4644 points)
Thu, February 22, 2018 03:53:28 PM UTC0:00
RBH: thinking it might be easier to pick up and move some of the primary races for Pennsylvania once the map becomes official instead of having to drop out and add candidates purely because the district numbers changed.

This is also going to get confusing in the meantime. Madeline Dean announced for the new PA4.
Old 13?

 
I:6738IndyGeorgia ( 3015.9092 points)
Thu, February 22, 2018 06:25:22 PM UTC0:00
And Boyle announced he's running in PA-02 rather than PA-04.

 
I:6738IndyGeorgia ( 3015.9092 points)
Sat, February 24, 2018 01:43:16 AM UTC0:00
In a follow-up to RBH's post about NAACP/Common Cause, the two groups announced they further analyzed the VRA issue and no longer have any problems with the new map. [Link]

 
D:1989RBH ( 4353.9746 points)
Sat, February 24, 2018 02:12:18 AM UTC0:00
and the district court says they're not gonna do anything until March 9th.. so, have fun candidates who are petitioning during this..