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Parents > United States > U.S. Executive > Popular Vote
OfficePresident
Type General Election
Filing Deadline 00, 0000 - 12:00pm
Polls Open November 06, 2012 - 06:00am
Polls Close November 06, 2012 - 11:00pm
Term Start January 20, 2013 - 12:00pm
Term End January 20, 2017 - 12:00pm
Turnout 41.81% Total Population
ContributorRalphie
Last Modifiedbudgeteer September 14, 2013 04:50pm
Data SourcesFEC: [Link]

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Note: Updated numbers from adding the certified returns as reported by the individual states. These ARE the correct numbers for all candidates.
Description
LAST GENERAL ELECTION
  PartyDemocratic Won11/04/2008
NameBarack Obama Votes69,456,897 (52.91%)
Term01/20/2009 - 01/20/2013 Margin9,522,083 (+7.25%)
PRIMARY/OTHER SCHEDULE
Jan 03, 2012 US President - D Primary Barack Obama
Jan 03, 2012 US President - R Primary Mitt Romney
Jun 01, 2012 US President - CST Primary Ed Noonan
Jun 01, 2012 US President - LBT Primary Gary Johnson
Jun 05, 2012 US President - GRN Primary Jill Stein
MAP
KEY RACE? 9.3077001572 Average
LEANING PREDICTIONS    Detail
Leaning Graph
11/05/2008 11/06/2012
CandidateSlightLeanStrongSafe
Barack Obama 32 25 3 --
Mitt Romney 13 3 ----
Leaning Call: Barack Obama (82.73%)
Weighted Call: Barack Obama (93.00%)
MATCHUP POLL GRAPH
Poll Graph
08/14/2009 11/04/2012

CANDIDATES
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Name (I) President Barack Obama Gov. Mitt Romney Gov. Gary Johnson Jill Stein Rep. Virgil H. Goode, Jr. (W) Write-In Roseanne Barr
PartyDemocratic Republican Libertarian Green Constitution Nonpartisan Peace & Freedom
Website [Website] [Website] [Website] [Website] [Website] [Website]
Certified Votes65,915,796 (51.06%) 60,931,757 (47.20%) 1,275,917 (0.99%) 469,547 (0.36%) 122,507 (0.10%) 108,331 (0.08%) 67,394 (0.05%)
Margin0 (0.00%) -4,984,039 (-3.86%) -64,639,879 (-50.08%) -65,446,249 (-50.70%) -65,793,289 (-50.97%) -65,807,465 (-50.98%) -65,848,402 (-51.01%)
Predict Avg.49.87% 47.65% 1.14% 0.40% 0.15% 0.00% 0.00%
Cash On Hand $-- $-- $-- $-- $-- $-- $--
MATCHUP POLLS (337 from 54 pollsters)
Adj Poll Avg48.13%-- 46.47%-- 1.27%-- 0.81%-- 0.18%-- 0.00%-- 0.00%--
Gallup 
11/01/12-11/04/12
48.00% 2.0 49.00% 2.0 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
Public Policy Polling (D) 
11/02/12-11/04/12
50.00% -- 48.00% 1.0 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
YouGov 
10/31/12-11/03/12
48.50% -- 46.50% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
Pew Research 
10/31/12-11/03/12
50.00% 3.0 47.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
Public Policy Polling (D) 
11/01/12-11/03/12
50.00% 1.0 47.00% 1.0 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
NBC News/Wall Street Journal (Hart & McInturff) 
11/01/12-11/03/12
48.00% 1.0 47.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
ENDORSEMENTS
Endorsements
D Brandon
  Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund
I Ryan34
D Qbanito
  Log Cabin Republicans
I Lee Iacocca [L]
I Ross Perot [L]
  Tea Pot Party
LBT Smart
MNI Jesse Ventura [L]
LBT Silver Dime
  New Progressive Alliance
NP Noam Chomsky [L]
I Matt Gonzalez [L]
I Ralph Nader [L]
R Hikikomori Blitzkrieg!
AENM Angry Russian
  Solidarity (US)
MORE CANDIDATES
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Name Mayor Rocky Anderson Tom Hoefling (W) Rep. Ron Paul Randall Terry Richard A. Duncan Peta Lindsay None of the Above
PartyJustice America's Independent Republican Independent Independent Socialism and Liberation Independent
Website [Website] [Website] [Website] [Website]
Certified Votes43,027 (0.03%) 40,641 (0.03%) 26,204 (0.02%) 13,105 (0.01%) 12,558 (0.01%) 7,786 (0.01%) 5,770 (0.00%)
Margin-65,872,769 (-51.03%) -65,875,155 (-51.03%) -65,889,592 (-51.04%) -65,902,691 (-51.05%) -65,903,238 (-51.05%) -65,908,010 (-51.06%) -65,910,026 (-51.06%)
Predict Avg.0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% 0.00%
Cash On Hand $-- $-- $-- $-- $-- $-- $--
MATCHUP POLLS (337 from 54 pollsters)
Adj Poll Avg0.00%-- 0.00%-- 0.00%-- 0.66%-- 0.66%-- 0.01%-- 0.66%--
Gallup 
11/01/12-11/04/12
0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
Public Policy Polling (D) 
11/02/12-11/04/12
0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
YouGov 
10/31/12-11/03/12
0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
Pew Research 
10/31/12-11/03/12
0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
Public Policy Polling (D) 
11/01/12-11/03/12
0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
NBC News/Wall Street Journal (Hart & McInturff) 
11/01/12-11/03/12
0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% -- 0.00% --
ENDORSEMENTS
Endorsements
  New Progressive Alliance
MFL Juan Croniqueur
J Dr. Cynic
I Ralph Nader [L]
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EVENTS
Start Date End Date Type Title Contributor
Oct 03, 2012 07:00pm Oct 03, 2012 09:00pm Debate First 2012 Presidential Debate  TX DEM 
Oct 16, 2012 07:00pm Oct 16, 2012 09:00pm Debate Second 2012 Presidential Debate  TX DEM 
Oct 22, 2012 07:10pm Oct 22, 2012 09:10pm Debate Third 2012 Presidential Debate  TX DEM 

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NEWS
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Feb 18, 2014 06:00pm Poll Poll: Only 79% of Obama voters would vote for him again  Article Scott³ 
Nov 19, 2013 01:00am Poll President Romney? Yes, if the election were held today  Article Scott³ 
Jun 14, 2013 08:00am News Paul Ryan explains GOP’s 2012 loss  Article Brandon 
Dec 24, 2012 01:00pm News Romney campaign caught off guard by fact that Obama staffers worked  Article TX DEM 
Nov 26, 2012 01:55am Blog Entry Mitt Romney '47 percent watch': 47.47!  Article Homegrown Democrat 
Nov 15, 2012 07:00pm Analysis Gay Vote Proved a Boon for Obama  Article Homegrown Democrat 

DISCUSSION
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D:479Brandon ( 1558.3782 points)
Fri, September 14, 2012 07:27:45 PM UTC0:00
Now that the conventions are done, and there has been some time to absorb their impact, time for another of these:
Who will win in November?
Obama 24 (96%)
Romney 1 (4%)
25 Votes Cast
View User Votes
Polls Close September 21, 2012 12:00am

 
J:1802Dr. Cynic ( 378.3219 points)
Sat, September 15, 2012 01:11:02 AM UTC0:00
I've basically been cemented in the view I've had for the past year or so. The Republicans could certainly win with the right candidate. They proceeded to choose the one completely wrong to do it.

 
LPC:6149Dr. King Schultz ( 374.3755 points)
Sat, September 15, 2012 01:39:54 AM UTC0:00
Let me put it to you this way, Mitt Romney is no Ronald Reagan, Ronald Reagan was at least likeable and charming there is nothing charming or likeable about Mitt Romney. I've watched many of the past Republican Candidates for President I've vehemently disagreed with many of them, Mitt Romney frankly is the Worst Candidate the Republican Party has put forward for President since Goldwater in the 1960's. Bob Dole frankly never had a fighting chance in 1996.

 
LBT:8449Jed Ziggler ( 433.7087 points)
Sat, September 15, 2012 10:36:45 PM UTC0:00
Brandon: Who will win in November?

Barbara Dale Washer, obviously.

 
D:1RP ( 3311.3784 points)
Mon, September 17, 2012 11:54:50 PM UTC0:00

 
D:704John ( 3346.7625 points)
x5
Tue, September 18, 2012 12:30:25 AM UTC0:00
Apparently Rasmussen got a call from Karl Rove.

 
R:7206Hikikomori Blitzkrieg! ( 290.2565 points)
Tue, September 18, 2012 01:14:07 AM UTC0:00
Mitt Romney frankly is the Worst Candidate the Republican Party has put forward for President since Goldwater in the 1960's.

Romney's pretty bad, but I don't see him as worse than McCain...and I don't see McCain as worse than Goldwater. Goldwater may have got creamed in the election, but he articulated conservative principles that resonated for decades (he lost the battle of 1964, but won the war of the fourth quarter of the 20th century), whereas McCain (and Romney, if he loses) won't be able to say they accomplished anything but losing an election.

McCain was the worst GOP nominee since the days of Alf Landon and Wendell L. Wilkie, and if Romney loses, he'll be right behind him. Although maybe Romney should be counted as worse than McCain (if he loses), simply because 2008 was pretty well destined to be a Democratic victory year, whereas 2012 should be very winnable for the Republicans.

 
D:391Qbanito ( 2561.5801 points)
Tue, September 18, 2012 05:57:32 AM UTC0:00
Romney is crashing and burning fast

 
LBT:6309Silver Dime ( 94.8693 points)
Tue, September 18, 2012 06:00:49 AM UTC0:00
RBH: Mike Huckabee would be doing better

Well Huck basically has a Diet version of Rick Santorum but doesn't scare people because he speaks well and makes people comfortable. (Probably why he was a pastor)

Hikikomori Blitzkrieg!:
Mitt Romney frankly is the Worst Candidate the Republican Party has put forward for President since Goldwater in the 1960's.

Romney's pretty bad, but I don't see him as worse than McCain...and I don't see McCain as worse than Goldwater. Goldwater may have got creamed in the election, but he articulated conservative principles that resonated for decades (he lost the battle of 1964, but won the war of the fourth quarter of the 20th century), whereas McCain (and Romney, if he loses) won't be able to say they accomplished anything but losing an election.

McCain was the worst GOP nominee since the days of Alf Landon and Wendell L. Wilkie, and if Romney loses, he'll be right behind him. Although maybe Romney should be counted as worse than McCain (if he loses), simply because 2008 was pretty well destined to be a Democratic victory year, whereas 2012 should be very winnable for the Republicans.

Personally, I would rather have McCain president over Romney anyday.

Politically, I think McCain having a lot of respect thanks to his military service and record of bi-partisianship really helped him stay in the top 4 for the primary in '08 and eventually win. He was an idiot when it came to listening to others for VP choices. (Palin)

Romney I think is a better candidate for picking VP's that won't embarrass him as much. That was smart and probably his own decision too.

But beyond the VP stuff, I don't see Romney any better of a candidate as McCain. In '12, he got grilled by conservatives in the primary just as bad as McCain did in '08, he constantly bugged about tax returns and that makes him look sneaky, he's not a vet so he gets no respect for that stuff except his "patriotic" speeches. He's a Mormon and has to deal with that stuff.

So, I don't know, Romney might be the worst the GOP has nominated in recent history.

But it's not so much about being the Republican candidate but more about he's from Massachusetts. Face it, America hates Massachusetts politicians. Eh hmm... John Kerry, Mike Dukakis, Ted Kennedy (in the '80 primary). JFK might have been the last truly respected bay stater who ran for President.

All these new ones are rich, stiff, boring, and just don't relate at all. Romney is a fine example of this.

 
D:15COSDem ( 3540.3062 points)
Tue, September 18, 2012 07:50:45 AM UTC0:00
I see Randy hasn't voted yet. He's been saying for months Romney will win. Curious to his present thoughts.

 
D:1989RBH ( 1271.2517 points)
Tue, September 18, 2012 09:17:26 AM UTC0:00
Silver Dime: Well Huck basically has a Diet version of Rick Santorum but doesn't scare people because he speaks well and makes people comfortable. (Probably why he was a pastor)

Yeah, the Rs missed a good opportunity when they shunned Huckabee in 2008 and split the vote enough by having various talk radio Rs back Romney to let McCain squeak though.

And that Rasmussen poll is precious.

 
D:1RP ( 3311.3784 points)
x2
Tue, September 18, 2012 03:56:09 PM UTC0:00
COSDem: I see Randy hasn't voted yet. He's been saying for months Romney will win. Curious to his present thoughts.

I'm in the Leaning Prediction list as having switched to Slight Obama on 9/12. Still a little nervous about that - there's still time for Romney to recover.

 
D:2064TX DEM ( 3224.4231 points)
Tue, September 18, 2012 04:24:55 PM UTC0:00
Romney has never given any indication that he is exceptional or talented enough to recover.

 
D:1RP ( 3311.3784 points)
Tue, September 18, 2012 04:48:06 PM UTC0:00
No, he hasn't. And that's the only reason why my prediction is slight Obama.

 
D:479Brandon ( 1558.3782 points)
Tue, September 18, 2012 04:52:11 PM UTC0:00
I almost disagree even with the basic premise of Randy's statement, because it sort of assumes Romney was at some point in a position of strength in this campaign. He never has been. There's never been a time at any point whatsoever in this cycle wherein Romney enjoyed a clear advantage over the president. Any leads he's ever held have been fleeting and minute. In this economic environment, that really is a damning commentary on what a weak candidate he is. Even the convention didn't help him. So while it's never a good idea to get overconfident, I can't help but feel pretty good about Obama's chances. Maybe if Romney knocks it out of the park in the debates, but how likely is that? He's a good debater, but he isn't THAT good, and Obama is great in debates too. At best he'll probably hold his own, which isn't going to fundamentally change the game. Romney supporters at this point have to pretty much hope for some giant crisis, which explains why people like Scott are wetting themselves over protests.

 
R:8766Republitarian ( 57.4549 points)
x2
Tue, September 18, 2012 05:05:03 PM UTC0:00
Mitt Romney frankly is the Worst Candidate the Republican Party has put forward for President since Goldwater in the 1960's.

A Johnson win in '64 was all but guaranteed after Kennedy's assassination (he himself would probably have been re-elected in '64). And the country simply wasn't ready for its third President in as many years.

 
D:7CA Pol Junkie ( 2702.2412 points)
Tue, September 18, 2012 06:32:36 PM UTC0:00
People like to think that issues like the economy are what drives elections. The key to being elected president is being liked because swing voters choose based on who they want to see on their TV the next four years. On that score, Obama was always going to be difficult to beat regardless of the economy.

 
D:1RP ( 3311.3784 points)
Tue, September 18, 2012 07:42:30 PM UTC0:00
Brandon: I almost disagree even with the basic premise of Randy's statement, because it sort of assumes Romney was at some point in a position of strength in this campaign. ... In this economic environment, that really is a damning commentary on what a weak candidate he is.

Then you didn't read or forgot my previous post on my reasoning. In spite of the constant blundering and misfires of Romney and the GOP, the race is still polling close (he's even ahead, according to Rasmussen). As you mentioned, right now the whole economic playing field tilts to him and the GOP and all they have to do is not screw it up, which they keep failing at. I can't believe they are THIS incompetent.

 
R:7206Hikikomori Blitzkrieg! ( 290.2565 points)
Tue, September 18, 2012 10:07:39 PM UTC0:00
A Johnson win in '64 was all but guaranteed after Kennedy's assassination (he himself would probably have been re-elected in '64). And the country simply wasn't ready for its third President in as many years.

This is exactly correct. A Kennedy-Goldwater race would have been more competitive. Three Presidents in 14 months just wasn't going to happen, especially at the height of the Cold War.

 
D:411Picimpalious ( 1229.6810 points)
x3
Tue, September 18, 2012 11:55:00 PM UTC0:00
And the country simply wasn't ready for its third President in as many years.

Three Presidents in 14 months just wasn't going to happen, especially at the height of the Cold War.

Nobody gives a **** about this.

The reason the Kennedy assassination was important to the 64 election was sympathy, not concern trolling about having too many presidents.

 
D:1989RBH ( 1271.2517 points)
Wed, September 19, 2012 12:54:26 AM UTC0:00
there's also that whole economy thing (1.5% inflation/unemployment under 5%). Kennedy would have smoked Goldwater

 
R:8766Republitarian ( 57.4549 points)
Wed, September 19, 2012 01:31:46 AM UTC0:00
Picimpalious:
And the country simply wasn't ready for its third President in as many years.

Three Presidents in 14 months just wasn't going to happen, especially at the height of the Cold War.

Nobody gives a **** about this.

The reason the Kennedy assassination was important to the 64 election was sympathy, not concern trolling about having too many presidents.

Whether American voters admit it or not, they prefer some sense of stability in a tumultuous international state of affairs (a la the Cold War). That's why incumbent Presidents generally are reelected in wartime.

 
D:6086Jason ( 7718.4429 points)
x2
Wed, September 19, 2012 01:56:29 AM UTC0:00
Jimmy Carter lost during the Cold War. Gerald Ford lost during the Cold War. Johnson would most likely having lost had he ran in 1968... During the Cold War.

There's a tendency for incumbent Presidents to win re-election regardless of the state of international affairs.

 
LPC:6149Dr. King Schultz ( 374.3755 points)
x3
Wed, September 19, 2012 04:06:30 AM UTC0:00
I guarantee you 2008 would have been a much closer election if you guys nominated Huckabee, despite the fact the guy is unabashedly extreme, he knows how to connect with and communicate with people.

 
SAP:262Gaear Grimsrud ( 6920.2134 points)
Wed, September 19, 2012 04:46:08 AM UTC0:00
...if only because he would have chosen a boring business conservative and not Sarah Palin as his VP. He would have at best gotten a percent higher in the popular vote than McCain, which might have gotten him NC.