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  US Vice President - D Selection
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Parents > United States > U.S. Executive > U.S. Vice President
OfficeVice President
TypeDemocratic Primary Election
Filing Deadline June 01, 2008 - 12:00am
Polls Open August 22, 2008 - 11:55pm
Polls Close August 22, 2008 - 11:55pm
Term Start January 20, 2009 - 11:50pm
Term End January 20, 2013 - 12:00pm
Turnout 0.00% Total Population
ContributorTX_Socialist
Last ModifiedAndy March 17, 2011 10:47pm
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Description
LAST GENERAL ELECTION
  PartyRepublican Won11/02/2004
NameDick Cheney Votes286 (53.16%)
Term01/20/2005 - 01/20/2009 Margin34 (+6.32%)
NEXT GENERAL ELECTION
  PartyDemocratic Won11/04/2008
NameJoe Biden Votes365 (67.84%)
Term01/20/2009 - 01/20/2013 Margin192 (+35.69%)
NEXT GENERAL ELECTION
RaceUS Vice President 11/04/2008
MAP
KEY RACE? 8.7143001556 Average
LEANING PREDICTIONS    Detail
Leaning Graph
07/29/2008 08/22/2008
CandidateSlightLeanStrongSafe
Joe Biden 6 --2 6
Tim Kaine 2 ------
Leaning Call: Joe Biden (94.74%)
Weighted Call: Joe Biden (99.37%)

CANDIDATES
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Name Sen. Joe Biden Sen. Evan Bayh Gov. Tim Kaine  
PartyDemocratic Democratic Democratic  
Website [Website] [Website] [Website]  
Uncertified Votes1 (100.00%) 0 (0.00%) 0 (0.00%)  
Margin0 (0.00%) -1 (-100.00%) -1 (-100.00%)  
Predict Avg.0.00% 0.00% 0.00%  
Cash On Hand $-- $-- $--  
MATCHUP POLLS (0 from 0 pollsters)
ENDORSEMENTS
Endorsements
D DylanSH99
IndP 6921
SVP Magical Horse
J Dr. Cynic
AENM Angry Russian
D PA-FL Dem
D Jason
D NYDem Junior
 

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NEWS
Date Category Headline Article Contributor
Oct 29, 2009 02:25pm News Plouffe spills on [Obama] VP choices  Article Monsieur 
Jan 19, 2009 12:00pm News Biden's wife slips that he was offered choice of state or vice president  Article The Sunset Provision 
Sep 16, 2008 11:00am General Should Obama Replace Biden?  Article Nothing wrong, just gone 
Aug 25, 2008 10:00am News Biden Camp Pressed Hard For a Slot on the Ticket  Article ScottĀ³ 
Aug 24, 2008 09:00pm Opinion Biden, Iraq, and Obama's Betrayal  Article Otis Gough 
Aug 24, 2008 08:00pm Poll 39% Say Biden the Right Choice, Women Less Enthusiastic  Article Imperator 

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D:1633DakotaDem ( 1313.1267 points)
Fri, June 13, 2008 04:59:59 AM UTC0:00
I'm thinking it will be Bayh...

I thought it would be Strickland....

We might get surprised and it will be Nunn......

 
I:681excelsior ( 1819.1344 points)
Fri, June 13, 2008 07:55:36 AM UTC0:00
Nah, the more liberal wing of the party would gag over Nunn and, I suspect, former Republican Webb. Of the choices in play, Bayh is probably the most "conservative" (read: least liberal) Veep they would be comfortable with.

 
Laf-W:2005Craverguy ( 773.7696 points)
Fri, June 13, 2008 07:58:52 AM UTC0:00
"Nah, the more liberal wing of the party would gag over Nunn and, I suspect, former Republican Webb."

The liberal wing is the backbone of Webb's support.

"Of the choices in play, Bayh is probably the most 'conservative' (read: least liberal) Veep they would be comfortable with."

Bayh is the former chairman of the DLC and has cast a long, long list of unacceptable votes on economic issues, social issues, and foreign policy issues. Webb, on the other hand, is an economic populist, anti-war, pro-choice, and opposed to constitutionally banning gay marriage. If you think Bayh would be more acceptable to liberals than Webb, you don't know liberals.

 
I:681excelsior ( 1819.1344 points)
Fri, June 13, 2008 11:08:29 AM UTC0:00
Craverguy: If you think Bayh would be more acceptable to liberals than Webb, you don't know liberals.

Well, I don't claim to be an expert on Senator Webb but I have seen him described as a "Pat Buchanan-lite" and as a "reactionary" on some liberal-leaning sites (including the TNR, which is saying something). Plus, there is the "loyalty" factor, given that he is a former Republican and was a high-ranking official in the Reagan Administration.

Obviously, politicians change over time and it is clear that Webb has moved significantly to the left over the past two decades. Still, his Scots-Irish background and former associations might make some coastal, urban liberal elites a bit uncomfortable.

 
Laf-W:2005Craverguy ( 773.7696 points)
Fri, June 13, 2008 05:18:50 PM UTC0:00
TNR is hardly a good gauge of liberal thinking. [Link]

 
D:2109Andy ( 4160.6357 points)
Fri, June 13, 2008 06:46:28 PM UTC0:00
excelsior: Still, his Scots-Irish background and former associations might make some coastal, urban liberal elites a bit uncomfortable.

Ugh. Do you really think 'urban liberal elites' care about ethnicity?

For the record, I'm about 50% Scots-Irish by ethnicity.

Craverguy: TNR is hardly a good gauge of liberal thinking.

I agree, actually.

 
D:410Joshua L. ( 2582.3230 points)
Sat, June 14, 2008 05:10:41 AM UTC0:00
Nunn would be absolutely dreadful for Obama to pick. It would really be a disappointment for me after wholeheartedly supporting Obama since 2007.

 
D:917NYDem Junior ( 1973.3054 points)
Sat, June 14, 2008 03:14:24 PM UTC0:00
Kaine showed his power by helping to lead Gerry Connelly over Byrne in last Tuesday's primary. His moderation and home state make him a solid canidate.

 
D:1107GavinBrown ( 1359.3580 points)
Sat, June 14, 2008 08:19:32 PM UTC0:00
i dont see any appeal out of kaine, maybe warner, but not kaine.

 
D:1656The Sunset Provision ( 1384.6633 points)
Sat, June 14, 2008 08:31:40 PM UTC0:00
Kaine, like Warner would bring both fiscal responsibility and an appeal to moderate, independent, and swing voters to the ticket. Unlike Warner, Kaine has won twice statewide.

 
D:1107GavinBrown ( 1359.3580 points)
Sun, June 15, 2008 12:20:53 AM UTC0:00
however, id argue warner is much more popular than kaine, and his eyebrows would really creep out a lot of people.

 
D:2064TX DEM ( 3224.4231 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 08:01:49 PM UTC0:00
The blogospere is going ape**** this morning after some sources are reporting nunn is on the short list. Practically everyone is saying they would vote for Obama-Nunn but everyone seems pretty pissed at the prospect.

 
D:1RP ( 3311.3784 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 09:13:50 PM UTC0:00
Nunn would be a dreadful pick, but not just because liberals would dislike the "conservative" pick, but because the places where he is conservative and the places where he is liberal would likely piss everyone off - right, left and center.

He's a hawk who voted against the 1991 Gulf War. He opposed Clinton's 1993 budget. He's always been in favor of increased immigration. He's in favor of gun control. He's moderate on abortion - which would piss off both supporters and opponents. He was the main person fighting against gays in the military and pushed Clinton into "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", which pissed off gays and their supporters, but has switched positions to wanting a study to see if it would be okay to let them serve openly. He's in favor of school prayer and affirmative action.

He's all over the place with his ideology and if any group finds one thing they like they'll find a half dozen things they don't. Think the western states Obama is doing well in will like his gun control stance? How will he help Obama with foreign policy when they have to explain why the original Gulf War was not a situation where we should have gotten involved?

And the most important part is that I don't trust that he could fulfil the most important part of a Presidential VP pick - being a team player. He led the main opposition to the last Democratic President we had - fully taking on and disrupting Clinton's agenda when he came into office. You really think he'd be okay to play second fiddle to Obama now?

 
Laf-W:2005Craverguy ( 773.7696 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 10:48:05 PM UTC0:00
47 U.S. Senators voted against the Gulf War. Senators who voted against included Daniel Akaka, Max Baucus, Lloyd Bentsen, Joe Biden, Jeff Bingaman, David Boren, Bill Bradley, Dale Bumpers, Robert Byrd, Kent Conrad, Tom Daschle, Chris Dodd, John Glenn, Chuck Grassley, Tom Harkin, Mark Hatfield, Fritz Hollings, Dan Inouye, Ted Kennedy, Bob Kerrey, John Kerry, Herbert Kohl, Frank Lautenberg, Patrick Leahy, Carl Levin, Howard Metzenbaum, Barbara Mikulski, George Mitchell, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Claiborne Pell, David Pryor, Jay Rockefeller, Terry Sanford, Paul Sarbanes, Jim Sasser, Paul Simon, and Paul Wellstone.

In fact, there was even less rationale to authorize the Gulf War than there was to authorize the current Iraq War. At least in 2002, there was the claim (spurious though it was) that Iraq was attacking us. With the Gulf War, we essentially launched a multi-billion-dollar war to protect one of our client dictators from another one of our client dictators, mainly so that the President could see his approval ratings go up.

 
D:1989RBH ( 1271.2517 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 10:48:18 PM UTC0:00
Nunn probably won't just come out and praise people for claiming homosexuals aren't role models.

Like he did in 1984.

 
D:1107GavinBrown ( 1359.3580 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 11:00:59 PM UTC0:00
Obama hired Patti Solis Doyle to be chief of staff to whoever the VP pick is. Interesting....

 
I:1038MD Indy ( 884.9736 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 11:05:38 PM UTC0:00
Think she's still mad at Hillary for dumping her before Super Tuesday?

 
D:1989RBH ( 1271.2517 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 11:08:21 PM UTC0:00
Solis Doyle and Clinton haven't talked since the firing, apparently.

 
I:1038MD Indy ( 884.9736 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 11:11:09 PM UTC0:00
Interesting.

 
D:1656The Sunset Provision ( 1384.6633 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 11:16:16 PM UTC0:00
I'll yet make another online donation to the Obama campaign in honor of Gavin if Obama doesn't pick HRC for the #2 spot on the ticket. $75 earmarked for you, Barack!

 
D:1107GavinBrown ( 1359.3580 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 11:21:51 PM UTC0:00
and bobby if he does pick her what ever shall you do??? Cry in the corner, suck it up, donate, and still vote?

 
I:1038MD Indy ( 884.9736 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 11:26:44 PM UTC0:00
He'll put country above party and vote McCain

 
D:1656The Sunset Provision ( 1384.6633 points)
Mon, June 16, 2008 11:27:05 PM UTC0:00
Im voting for Obama even if he puts your Murphy Brown lite on the ticket, and he'll still get a donation, it just won't be in your honor ;)

 
I:681excelsior ( 1819.1344 points)
Tue, June 17, 2008 01:39:54 AM UTC0:00
GavinBrown: Obama hired Patti Solis Doyle to be chief of staff to whoever the VP pick is. Interesting....

"You don't hire Patti Solis Doyle for her operational expertise. You don't do that. This is someone who failed dramatically at her job. You only bring her on to **** someone else."

-- A "former Clinton bundler," quoted by the New York Observer, noting that "Clinton loyalists were livid over the pick."

I wonder who Doyle gets to f*ck. She's not bad looking.


 
D:15COSDem ( 3540.3062 points)
Mon, June 23, 2008 09:08:45 PM UTC0:00
I've seen his name in quite a few articles.