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  Stringent voter ID law in Pa. could prevent 750,000 from voting
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Last EditedScott³  Jul 08, 2012 02:10pm
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AuthorLucy Madison
MediaTV News - Columbia Broadcasting System CBS News
News DateThursday, July 5, 2012 10:00:00 PM UTC0:0
Description"New data released by Pennsylvania officials suggests that as many as 750,000 voters in the crucial battleground territory could be impacted by a stringent new voter ID law.

The law, passed this May ostensibly to prevent voter fraud, requires all voters in Pennsylvania to show a valid photo ID at the polls.

Among those acceptable forms of photo ID include a state-issued driver's license, a valid U.S. passport, a U.S. military ID, a government-issued employee ID, an ID card from an accredited Pennsylvania higher learning institution, or a photo ID card issued by a Pennsylvania care facility, such as an assisted living residence or personal care home.

According to the survey, 758,939 voters - 9.2 percent - could not be matched in state databases as having Pennsylvania driver's licenses, the most common form of photo ID in the state.

Of those 9.2 percent, about 22 percent - or 167,566 people - are categorized as "inactive" voters, according to the data. A person can be characterized as an "inactive" voter if he or she has not voted in five years and has not responded to a state inquiry about his or her current address. Federal and state law also mandate that an "inactive voter" be kept on the state registration list until he or she fails to vote in two consecutive general elections for federal office following the notification.

"Even though many voters identified in this comparison as not having PennDOT IDs are 'inactive voters', most of whom have not voted since 2007, we will err on the side of caution and include them in this mailing," said Secretary of the Commonwealth Carol Aichele in a statement released alongside the study.

Even if voters are classified as "inactive" with 100 percent accuracy, however, that leaves nearly 600,000 "active" voters who lack driver's licenses and may not be able to cast their votes on Election Day."
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J:1802Dr. Cynic ( 378.3219 points)
Mon, July 9, 2012 06:30:02 PM UTC0:00
Well, sorry to disappoint, Kal El, but I do have a state issued ID. It's just not of the kind listed above. I even went out to the DMV to get it. Nice how that works.

But hey, if they turned me away, which they won't, wouldn't bother me. I mean, after all... I'm not long for this country, anyway.

R:549kal ( -57.2262 points)
Mon, July 9, 2012 11:09:43 PM UTC0:00
So you Do have an acceptable form of ID?

D:478Bob ( 2253.6577 points)
Tue, July 10, 2012 12:10:50 AM UTC0:00
Voter ID ought to be acceptable with the following conditions applied:

-The state provides non-driver ID cards free of charge and makes it abundantly clear to the public that no fee applies to obtain one for the purpose of voting. If a voter has to pry to get a government official to waive the fee, it's deceit by omission and constitutes a poll tax.

-The state provides transportation, free of charge, to and from the DMV or ID centers for the aggrieved and disenfranchised voters on demand, at the citizen's convenience. Anything short of this also constitutes a poll tax.

-Special accommodations are made to expedite the process of obtaining an ID for those who need one explicitly for voting. Such people will be given a place physically apart from the usual gridlock of DMV waiting lines or ushered to the front of the line upon arrival. Driving is a privilege while voting is a right, and those seeking to preserve their right need to be given preference over those seeking to gain a privilege. Forcing people to stand in line, potentially for hours, just so they can keep a right that is inherently theirs is a poll test (especially for the elderly and infirm).

-If need be, the state will take extraordinary efforts to help disenfranchised citizens obtain copies of their birth certificates or other pertinent documentation that will allow them to get the all-important IDs in the first place and shoulder the financial burden of doing so. If this is actually about keeping fraudulent voters off the rolls and not suppressing legitimate ones who want to stand up and be counted then this shouldn't be a problem. Arbitrarily revoking a citizen's right to vote and then forcing them to spend any amount of time and money (often considerable amounts) to become reinstated constitutes both a poll test and a poll tax.

Taking these steps will ensure that the voter fraud bogeyman is truly dead while also guaranteeing that no eligible voters are disenfranchised. If the party of fiscal responsibility is truly intent on only maintaining the integrity of the vote from imaginary threats and has no other politically-motivated agenda, then they shouldn't have any problems with squandering a considerable deal of taxpayer dollars to making the process legitimate and fail-safe.

But as long as American citizens have to spend a dime of their own money or an inordinate amount of their own time to retain their inherent right to vote, voter ID is an always will be complete bullsh*t.

IND:1196Monsieur ( 5890.8623 points)
Tue, July 10, 2012 12:59:42 AM UTC0:00
Post of the week.

R:1153J.R. ( 744.6801 points)
Tue, July 10, 2012 02:02:59 AM UTC0:00
We need to be hyper-careful about the integrity of the ballot box, as every other political issue depends on who wins elections and gets to make decisions.

Every person legally qualified to vote should be allowed to vote. And every vote cast should be cast by a legally qualified person.

With each party being concerned about half of that statement, I think that's a good balance.

(And as much as I don't like spending money, I think an investment into voting integrity is worth it.)

D:7CA Pol Junkie ( 2702.2412 points)
Tue, July 10, 2012 10:36:05 PM UTC0:00
J.R.: Every person legally qualified to vote should be allowed to vote. And every vote cast should be cast by a legally qualified person.

With each party being concerned about half of that statement, I think that's a good balance.

Note that the GOP is completely unconcerned about the integrity of absentee balloting, so any concern gets trumped by political convenience.