I take those groans as signs of contradiction. Thanks.

I take those groans as signs of contradiction. Thanks. That would require faith on my part, no?

No, just on my part.

I've come to the conclusion that seeing this issue from either side in entirely black-and-white terms requires a stunning lack of compassion, whatever faith may say about it.

It's a fallacy to believe that one can't condemn a thought or action without simultaneously having compassion toward the one committing the fault. It's not an either/or.

As a proud former fetus against abortion, I would like to point out that all pro-abortion activists share one thing in common---THEY HAVE ALL BEEN BORN.

You don't say.

Rob Ritchie, what is your point?

As a proud former fetus Are you making a pro-choice argument?

Rob Ritchie, what is your point? That you can't have a valid opinion on abortion unless you are an aborted fetus, I think.

Although everyone here on OC would explain to you that Brandon and I disagree more than agree; we both are OK with early abortions but have problems with late term abortions. And how can you be a "proud former fetus against abortion?" Can you remember being a fetus who remembers being in opposition of abortion?

I find it strange that so many on the left pale at the execution of child killers but defend the killing of unborn children as an expression of choice.

I'm fine with executing child killers.

Not only am I fine with executing child killers, I also think the state executions are too rare. There's due process, and then there's disingenuous stalling. I also have no problems of any sort with abortion. Third trimester, partial-birth, choosing to abort the fetus after learning it has a high chance of being born with down syndrome, anything. Easy access to abortion is inherently beneficial just by having fewer crack babies crippling the welfare state.

Are you saying you support full term abortion? If so, why not carry it a step further and say that a mother can have a post-birth abortion (i.e. kill the child up to say two years of age.)

Nope. Draw the line at birth.

Nope. Draw the line at birth. While I am generally supportive of abortion, I can't wrap my mind around how some people seem to think personhood is only attained simply by passage of the entire baby through the birth canal. For them, if only the head is sticking out, it's OK to punture the fontanelle with forceps and suck out their brains; but let it move a few more inches and somehow it magically attains personhood.