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DescriptionThe argument between women's rights and cellular/fetus rights. When does a "human" start to exist? At conception, implantation, heart function, brain function, birth, or some other time?

Birth or Not: Help us Decide, a "Real" Abortion Vote  Discuss
Red Flags [in abortion polling]  Discuss

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Date Category Headline Article Contributor
Mar 24, 2014 02:00pm News Aborted babies incinerated to heat UK hospitals   Article kal 
Jan 24, 2014 03:00pm Legal Ruling Texas judge orders brain-dead pregnant woman to be taken off life support  Article Brandon 
Jan 23, 2014 05:00am Hyperbole Democrat Fund Raising Letter Accuses Republicans of a 'Revolting Anti Choice Agenda'  Article Imperator 
Jan 22, 2014 06:55pm General Attorneys: Fetus of pregnant, brain-dead wife is 'distinctly abnormal'  Article RP 
Jan 22, 2014 06:00am Opinion I Am Overwhelmed by 55 Million Babies Killed Since Roe v. Wade  Article Imperator 
Jan 18, 2014 08:00am Commentary The Cruelest Pregnancy   Article Brandon 

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R:1490Imperator ( 2248.3596 points)
Mon, March 26, 2012 03:38:49 AM UTC0:00
I take those groans as signs of contradiction. Thanks.

D:2109Andy ( 4160.6357 points)
Mon, March 26, 2012 03:40:08 AM UTC0:00
Imperator: I take those groans as signs of contradiction. Thanks.

That would require faith on my part, no?

R:1490Imperator ( 2248.3596 points)
Mon, March 26, 2012 03:51:09 AM UTC0:00
No, just on my part.

D:633WesternDem ( 892.4465 points)
Mon, March 26, 2012 08:19:21 AM UTC0:00
I've come to the conclusion that seeing this issue from either side in entirely black-and-white terms requires a stunning lack of compassion, whatever faith may say about it.

R:1490Imperator ( 2248.3596 points)
Mon, March 26, 2012 03:19:15 PM UTC0:00
It's a fallacy to believe that one can't condemn a thought or action without simultaneously having compassion toward the one committing the fault. It's not an either/or.

R:8670Rob Ritchie ( -32.7446 points)
Sat, March 31, 2012 11:14:10 PM UTC0:00
As a proud former fetus against abortion, I would like to point out that all pro-abortion activists share one thing in common---THEY HAVE ALL BEEN BORN.

D:479Brandon ( 1558.3782 points)
Sat, March 31, 2012 11:24:32 PM UTC0:00
You don't say.

R:549kal ( -57.2262 points)
Sat, March 31, 2012 11:34:51 PM UTC0:00
Rob Ritchie, what is your point?

D:1414Forwardista ( 171.5051 points)
Sat, March 31, 2012 11:35:26 PM UTC0:00
Rob Ritchie: As a proud former fetus

Are you making a pro-choice argument?

D:479Brandon ( 1558.3782 points)
Sat, March 31, 2012 11:36:40 PM UTC0:00
kal: Rob Ritchie, what is your point?

That you can't have a valid opinion on abortion unless you are an aborted fetus, I think.

R:549kal ( -57.2262 points)
Sat, March 31, 2012 11:38:16 PM UTC0:00
Although everyone here on OC would explain to you that Brandon and I disagree more than agree; we both are OK with early abortions but have problems with late term abortions.

And how can you be a "proud former fetus against abortion?"

Can you remember being a fetus who remembers being in opposition of abortion?

R:8670Rob Ritchie ( -32.7446 points)
Sat, March 31, 2012 11:42:52 PM UTC0:00
I find it strange that so many on the left pale at the execution of child killers but defend the killing of unborn children as an expression of choice.

D:479Brandon ( 1558.3782 points)
Sun, April 1, 2012 12:51:36 AM UTC0:00
I'm fine with executing child killers.

D:6086Jason ( 7718.4429 points)
Sun, April 1, 2012 01:02:13 AM UTC0:00
Not only am I fine with executing child killers, I also think the state executions are too rare. There's due process, and then there's disingenuous stalling.

I also have no problems of any sort with abortion. Third trimester, partial-birth, choosing to abort the fetus after learning it has a high chance of being born with down syndrome, anything. Easy access to abortion is inherently beneficial just by having fewer crack babies crippling the welfare state.

R:8670Rob Ritchie ( -32.7446 points)
Sun, April 1, 2012 01:13:15 AM UTC0:00
Are you saying you support full term abortion?

If so, why not carry it a step further and say that a mother can have a post-birth abortion (i.e. kill the child up to say two years of age.)

D:6086Jason ( 7718.4429 points)
Sun, April 1, 2012 02:46:36 AM UTC0:00
Nope. Draw the line at birth.

R:549kal ( -57.2262 points)
Sun, April 1, 2012 02:30:26 PM UTC0:00
Jason: Nope. Draw the line at birth.

While I am generally supportive of abortion, I can't wrap my mind around how some people seem to think personhood is only attained simply by passage of the entire baby through the birth canal.

For them, if only the head is sticking out, it's OK to punture the fontanelle with forceps and suck out their brains; but let it move a few more inches and somehow it magically attains personhood.

R:1153J.R. ( 744.6801 points)
Fri, June 21, 2013 02:41:38 PM UTC0:00
Representatives who didn't vote the party line in that 20-week abortion ban:

Voting No:
Rob Woodall (GA-07)*
Paul Broun (GA-10)*
Jon Runyan (NJ-03)
Rodney Frelinghuysen (NJ-11)
Richard Hanna (NY-22)
Charlie Dent (PA-15)

Voting Yes:
Dan Lipinski (IL-03)
Collin Peterson (MN-07)
Mike McIntyre (NC-07)
Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
Jim Matheson (UT-04)
Nick Rahall (WV-03)